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- 02:43 WGarrison: im guessing mushroom was on kholdstare and boots were in shop
- 02:43 VortexofDoom: then my only mistake was not going directly up the mountain
- 02:43 VortexofDoom: nope
- 02:43 Jesse_RS99: I PoD then Eastern
- 02:43 WGarrison: where were boots then
- 02:43 VortexofDoom: dark world boots hint
- 02:43 VortexofDoom: hookshot cave
- 02:43 Jesse_RS99: Hookshot
- 02:43 WGarrison: oh dark world
- 02:43 Jesse_RS99: I picked them up on my way into GT
- 02:43 WGarrison: I got myself thinking light world, so that was bad
- 02:44 VortexofDoom: LOL
- 02:44 VortexofDoom: mushroom also in hs cave
- 02:44 WGarrison: we all probably sequence broke desert so whatever
- 02:44 VortexofDoom: yep
- 02:44 Jesse_RS99: At least MM didn't come into play at all
- 02:45 VortexofDoom: I was so scared I was gonna have to choose between MM and Ice after Desert
- 02:45 VortexofDoom: huge relief
- 02:45 WGarrison: my execution was actually alright, it was all just skipping aginahs cave
- 02:45 Jesse_RS99: Yeah. When I was doing shed I thought it might have boots and then I'd have to choose
- 02:46 VortexofDoom: I'm wondering what check you got that I didn't lol
- 02:46 VortexofDoom: Wait what route did you take in GT
- 02:46 WGarrison: I just went hope room first
- 02:46 Jesse_RS99: Hope then torch and hammer pot
- 02:46 VortexofDoom: oh
- 02:46 WGarrison: yeah
- 02:46 VortexofDoom: I did DM
- 02:47 VortexofDoom: So with that route I woulda had 139
- 02:47 Jesse_RS99: I did PC and Smith even though you only needed to do one of them. I checked Bombos, Graveyard ledge, shovel
- 02:47 Jesse_RS99: Ummm. Not sure what else might have been different
- 02:47 VortexofDoom: Oh
- 02:47 VortexofDoom: I didn't do bombos
- 02:48 WGarrison#7375 added a comment: "139, skipped aginah and killed aga 1, full cleared pod except helma before going back, helma had progression."
- 02:48 VortexofDoom: I did a really stupid route of magic bat, shovel, and cave 45 alone before going up the mountain
- 02:48 WGarrison: i managed to do every single fetch quest one at a time
- 02:48 WGarrison: I found the route that does it
- 02:49 WGarrison: cause I got shovel in dark world after I checked the south routh
- 02:49 VortexofDoom: If you thought boots were light world, it does make sense to do them as you get them
- 02:49 WGarrison: well I thought shovel could be gloves lol
- 02:49 WGarrison: and I did magic bat, but not aginah
- 02:49 WGarrison: also separate
- 02:50 WGarrison: since I got flute from smith I decided to flute down with purple chest to get book
- 02:50 VortexofDoom: Same
- 02:50 WGarrison: and have to do a separate bombos stop
- 02:50 VortexofDoom: I skipped Bombos for that reason
- 02:50 WGarrison: and I did a special trip to just ether tablet
- 02:50 VortexofDoom: Afterward I fluted right back to my mirror spot at 3
- 02:50 VortexofDoom: and checked graveyard ledge
- 02:50 WGarrison: well at that point I got light world boots in my head
- 02:50 VortexofDoom: yeah
- 02:51 VortexofDoom: well ether tablet is DM
- 02:51 WGarrison: I did just GYL
- 02:51 WGarrison: and decided at that point screw it, ice palace
- 02:51 WGarrison: so hookshot was last location
- 02:51 VortexofDoom: Everything involving the smith chain and mirror checks I did very poorly
- 02:52 VortexofDoom: I had very little before IP
- 02:52 WGarrison: its really hard to win when you last location dark world access, last location go mode, and kill aga 1 for no reason
- 02:52 WGarrison: and double dip 3 dungeons
- 02:52 Jesse_RS99: I double dipped 2
- 02:52 VortexofDoom: You're extremely lucky bow wasn't available earlier
- 02:52 VortexofDoom: 0 double dips
- 02:52 Jesse_RS99: Wait. You went IP before SP?
- 02:52 VortexofDoom: Yep
- 02:52 VortexofDoom: so much faster
- 02:52 Jesse_RS99: Ballsy
- 02:53 VortexofDoom: I could full clear it
- 02:53 VortexofDoom: and Swamp takes like almost 2 minutes to get the second chest feels like
- 02:53 Jesse_RS99: Yeah, but a pendant instead of a crystal is not usual order
- 02:53 VortexofDoom: if you can't full clear the order definitely changes for me
- 02:53 VortexofDoom: especially for swamp
- 02:53 VortexofDoom: TR minus ice rod is different
- 02:54 Jesse_RS99: If I'm more than 1 item away from go mode I'd agree, but given it was just the hookshot, crystals come first
- 02:54 VortexofDoom: Ice is 3-4 minutes, then I'd check bombos before swamp and hope HS isn't on ether
- 02:55 VortexofDoom: I'd make that play every time
- 02:56 VortexofDoom: I'm pretty sure LSS without the hookshot by itself is not significantly shorter than IP
- 02:56 VortexofDoom: Thinking about it
- 02:58 WGarrison: I did swamp with the hopes I get hookshot and keep going
- 02:58 WGarrison: since it was all I needed
- 02:58 VortexofDoom: The other thing about Swamp is double dips there are worse than any other dungeon but TR
- 02:59 WGarrison: but we go into TR for ice rod all the time
- 02:59 WGarrison: and kholdstare can be hookshot locked
- 03:00 WGarrison: although I'm not sure if that requires a key be on him
- 03:00 VortexofDoom: no, key means somaria locked
- 03:00 VortexofDoom: Actually thinking about it it might be worse to double dip swamp
- 03:00 VortexofDoom: unless progression is on Trinexx you're only locked out of one check
- 03:00 WGarrison: I am not really familiar with the hookshot lock logic
- 03:00 VortexofDoom: neither am I
- 03:00 WGarrison: I never see the hookshot room honestly
- 03:01 VortexofDoom: And you do have to re-climb the mountain anyway
- 03:01 VortexofDoom: so there's a mitigating factor for TR
- 03:02 WGarrison: I was at the point in the run though that it didnt matter what choice I made, it was going to be wrong
- 03:02 VortexofDoom: lol I feel that
- 03:03 WGarrison: there isn't a defensible route worse than the one I took
- 03:05 WGarrison: on the good side, despite having the most clown route, I still beat both original runners
- 03:05 WGarrison: so its not all bad
- 03:05 WGarrison: and my execution was fine
- 03:05 WGarrison: it was really just a quirk of routing, so its all good
- 03:06 WGarrison: alright I am dropping the chat, goodnight and thanks for the race
- 03:07 VortexofDoom: yeah gg
- 03:08 Jesse_RS99: GG
